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covering everything from various

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because as fun as the weird world is to

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explore in the end much of it just

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serves to distract our feeble minds from

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the crushing realization that we will

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die and not one of us can be fully

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confident at what happens at that

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mysterious and inevitable Junction but

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today's guest paul davids might have a

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little insight for us because in 2008

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his friend the great luminary of early

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science fiction and committed lifelong

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the afterlife if such a thing were

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possible well in the years since Paul is

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documented nearly a hundred and fifty

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beyond that have reached him and others

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close to Forrest all of which are

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chronicled in his book and atheist in

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heaven the ultimate evidence for life

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after death following his sworn

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affidavit that it's all true and

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professor who has been looking at the

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life after death question for 15 years

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as director of Arizona University's

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and health it's a persuasive powerhouse

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of paranormal contact and some solid

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confirmation that there's something

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strange in our neighborhood paul davids

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my man welcome to the higher side thank

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you Greg of course man thanks for being

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here I was looking at your logo here on

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the screen where it says smoke a little

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dead is among the films that I've made

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did plan to start this off by asking you

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about your career and maybe about your

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friendship with Forry as well well it's

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fiction convention hmm and he became

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transformers show boom that's a credit

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research I did on UFOs discovering the

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Roswell case the motivation to get that

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about it was a fantasy about the artist

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Vincent van Gogh mm-hmm if he could come

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fiction and how all of the major players

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influence you know so many people and

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then of course Peter Jackson and Peter

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Jackson became the host of the sci-fi

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boys as we dealt with the whole history

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of special effects in movies Wow

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so career wise are a few more films

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after that Jesus in India major

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documentary film had a major release

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from NBC Universal on television

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Sundance Channel for several years it

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was the main Christmas and Easter movie

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and I filmed it mainly in India but it

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dealt with the legend of the missing

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years of Christ the thirteen years

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oh no eighteen eighteen years not

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covered in the Bible from age 13 to 30

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mmm in India they think he was in India

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that he took the Silk Road and was among

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Hindus and Buddhists during those years

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and then went back to Judea and began

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his ministry at age thirty all right so

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I explored that whole theory it's

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absolutely fascinating hmm so from there

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I made I guess you call it a Latino film

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it's about a Hispanic American family

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it's called before we say goodbye and

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it's based on a stage play and it deals

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with the the Catholic miracle of the

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Virgin of Guadalupe that is so important

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to Hispanic Americans right so there was

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that one and then there was the life

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after death project which we're going to

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be talking a lot about about today and

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this was what happened after after fari

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passed away mm-hmm I I did a second a

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sequel of that to the first one was on

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sci-fi life after death project I think

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pretty much all my movies are out there

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available either on DVD where their

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bonus features and all that or streaming

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you know please don't go to the pirated

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sites they really abuse

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independent filmmakers they take

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advantage of us and causing a big dent

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in our profession but after after before

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we say goodbye and and the

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life-after-death project this year

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completed a film about Marilyn Monroe

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mm-hm it's called Marilyn Monroe

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Declassified and it's a documentary that

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will be out later this year and then of

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course finished this year with Gary

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Schwartz the book an atheist in heaven

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which will talk a lot about today and an

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atheist in heaven came out in April and

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yeah that you can find at Amazon either

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as an e-book or as a hardback so that's

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the that's my career in movies and

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television I've done some music as a

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character called professor hack hard

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drive

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music videos songs I wrote that are sort

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of satirical rap huh done books of

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poetry some comedy poetry the first book

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is called poems to read while driving on

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freeways mm-hmm and other ways to die

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laughing man and then speaking of your

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logo my third book of poetry was called

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poems to read when you run out of weed

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love it you could find us all online

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there was also right-brained poems for

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left-brained people interesting and then

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I did I've done now five coffee table

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books that are at blurb dot-com of my

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art oh my art of many different places

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on this earth it's all under the art of

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Paul Jeffrey David's you've got Paris

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and New York and Mexico and the

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California coast and on and I'm not man

353
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yeah you've had an interesting life

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definitely worked on the transformers

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cartoon even written Star Wars books

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that have sold millions of copies oh you

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know I left those out of that how did I

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forget at the glove of Darth Vader and

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prophets of the dark side the the Star

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Wars books happened right after

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transformers yeah I got I received a

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contract from Lucasfilm to write six

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books with my wife of

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starwars adventures during a period of

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time that there hadn't been a new Star

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Wars film out for a long time mm-hmm and

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they were working on the what was then

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gonna be the new one the one that had

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Jar Jar Binks in it you know that people

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weren't crazy about that movie at the

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time I wrote the books people were

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waiting for the next Star Wars movie

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yeah and yeah so that let me tell you

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the the the the titles there was the

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glove of Darth Vader lost city of the

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Jedi

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Zorba the Hutt's Revenge we created

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Zorba the Hutt as the father of Jabba

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the Hutt and then we had mission from

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Mount Yoda queen of the Empire and

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prophets of the dark side Wow so great

382
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you can see I rarely sleep I never stop

383
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I always find another project yeah

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you've been busy for sure those are some

385
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impressive bullet points on the life

386
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resume so where does eight years of

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verifiable sustained contact with a

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deceased friend providing personal

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validation of the afterlife rank well

390
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right now it's topic number one for me

391
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yeah I think though it's the most

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important and you know this is the only

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subject that I've done three projects on

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the documentary films came first and

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that was the life after death project

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and then the life after death project

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two personal encounters that was in 2013

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and sci-fi showed the first one and then

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three more years of writing and along

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comes an atheist in heaven which is what

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I hope I hope everyone who hears this

402
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will be motivated to explore this so

403
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we've made it available both as an

404
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e-book you know pretty inexpensively and

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then the hardback is beautiful with a

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dust jacket and it it's a big work don't

407
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be scared by the fact that it's 500

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pages those who are listening because a

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lot of it is photos I call them

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evidentiary photos because they relate

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to this complex story of why I'm so

412
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convinced that fari is still here though

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he died in 2008

414
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here now I never ever Gregg would have

415
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said something like that when I was

416
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younger you know in my 30s 40s

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skeptic you know all right not religious

418
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you know my attitude would have been who

419
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knows how can we know about that why do

420
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people believe in some of these things

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so intensely heaven who knows if you

422
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want to take the Bible literally then

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fine that's that's your reality but a

424
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lot of people don't and they just don't

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know mm-hmm

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hell you know very hard to believe in

427
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that divine creator would do something

428
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like that so no that never meant

429
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anything to me and you do think about

430
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these things more as you get older and

431
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you know you lose your parents and you

432
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start losing friends and your generation

433
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starts thinning down forth but the first

434
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time it became a topic of interest for

435
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me about do we survive as a spirit after

436
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the body is gone can there be contact

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between the deceased and the living that

438
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was the big question and the first time

439
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it became a real question for me when I

440
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was working was when I was working on

441
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lie-detector has a segment coordinator

442
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for f lee Bailey that TV show we would

443
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choose all sorts of different cases

444
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great variety of cases I mean sometimes

445
00:19:50,610 --> 00:19:49,480
we deal with people who are claiming

446
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they didn't commit a crime

447
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and sometimes the lie detector would say

448
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you're right you are innocent you

449
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shouldn't have been charged with that

450
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and sometimes it would amplify guilt hmm

451
00:20:06,210 --> 00:20:03,760
and we would expose liars so I heard

452
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about Dorothy Allison a psychic

453
00:20:12,930 --> 00:20:09,220
detective who lived in New Jersey she's

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deceased now at that time she was well

455
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that was around 1983 you know so say

456
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maybe middle age and she had had one

457
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extraordinary case that I had read about

458
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there was a very distraught father and

459
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mother whose teenage daughter had

460
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disappeared one day and hmm after a

461
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certain period of time foul play was

462
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assumed you know the police thought she

463
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was dead but they had no clues and the

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body hadn't been found and so the

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Aaron's out of desperation heard about

466
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Dorothy Allison and they had her come

467
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over and Dorothy Allison wanted to touch

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some articles of the daughters clothing

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and very very quickly after she touched

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the clothing she started spouting out a

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whole stream of clues and they were

472
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really strange but bizarre and

473
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interesting hmm she said she's seeing a

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place that had two church steeples that

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you could see two to church steeples

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from there you could see two smokestacks

477
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there were two bridges within range of

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there one bridge that was only used for

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pedestrians walking she said she smelled

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the smell of oil and she saw the letters

481
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M AR but she didn't know what they meant

482
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she didn't know whether those were the

483
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initials of the of the murderer or what

484
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what it was well the parents the father

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in particular I think he spent more than

486
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a year going all around Long Island

487
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where they lived mmm looking for some

488
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place that might fit this description

489
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and he finally found one that matched it

490
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in every respect and even the letters ma

491
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r it was large graffiti in red spray

492
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paint on a boulder or rock mm-hmm so

493
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here's Dorothy Allison she's pulled all

494
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of these clues out of the atmosphere

495
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let's say after she's touched the

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victims clothing and they they did find

497
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the girl's body there it not at first at

498
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first they were near it and they missed

499
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it it was in an oil drum down in a

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ravine with other oil drums damn so it

501
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was even a you think a year after he

502
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found the spot before the body was

503
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actually found and it was all confirmed

504
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but Dorothy had letters of commendation

505
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from many police departments and so I

506
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had to say to myself this has got to be

507
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real mm-hmm

508
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you know I know the skeptics don't like

509
00:22:46,860 --> 00:22:43,900
it and the scientists have a hard time

510
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believing it but this is evidence when

511
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she you know she wasn't involved in the

512
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crime herself you know that's not a that

513
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was not a possibility and she helped

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solve

515
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many crimes according to these letters

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of commendation so yeah that's very

517
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compelling for sure you know so by 1983

518
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I'm saying it does appear that there is

519
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another realm spirit realm let's call it

520
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that can communicate and can bring

521
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information that can communicate with us

522
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so that that was 1983 but I didn't have

523
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a direct experience until so many years

524
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later it was 2009 so that's a seven you

525
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know 17 not 26 years later a quarter of

526
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a century later it starts happening for

527
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me and it becomes real because of

528
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Forrest J Ackerman yeah and this stuff

529
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is so fascinating

530
00:23:44,790 --> 00:23:43,240
this forrest ackerman situation let's

531
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dive into this and maybe we can get a

532
00:23:50,160 --> 00:23:47,920
better sense of forey's personality he

533
00:23:52,799 --> 00:23:50,170
seemed like a pretty fun an impressive

534
00:23:55,500 --> 00:23:52,809
guy some of this does play into the

535
00:23:57,570 --> 00:23:55,510
afterlife contact but he you know he

536
00:24:00,060 --> 00:23:57,580
mentioned to you he tried to get in

537
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contact if it was possible from the

538
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other side even though he was a

539
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committed atheist probably a little

540
00:24:08,490 --> 00:24:05,050
tongue-in-cheek and saying that but tell

541
00:24:12,650 --> 00:24:08,500
us how this all started well as you've

542
00:24:15,380 --> 00:24:12,660
pointed out fari was an atheist and he

543
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never prayed didn't believe in God

544
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didn't believe in the paranormal didn't

545
00:24:23,220 --> 00:24:20,860
believe in ghosts or flying saucers I

546
00:24:26,040 --> 00:24:23,230
mean he wrote about ghosts and flying

547
00:24:28,980 --> 00:24:26,050
saucers and the undead and zombies you

548
00:24:32,360 --> 00:24:28,990
know in Famous Monsters magazine taking

549
00:24:35,370 --> 00:24:32,370
pictures for movies but it was always

550
00:24:38,070 --> 00:24:35,380
literature or you know stories or just

551
00:24:40,650 --> 00:24:38,080
fun for him yeah entertainment it was

552
00:24:42,240 --> 00:24:40,660
entertain enjoyed it and and most of the

553
00:24:44,580 --> 00:24:42,250
pictures that he published of these

554
00:24:48,090 --> 00:24:44,590
things he would have of a funny caption

555
00:24:52,230 --> 00:24:48,100
Equipe he would use a pun or a wordplay

556
00:24:53,850 --> 00:24:52,240
twist on words sometimes he'd find a

557
00:24:56,820 --> 00:24:53,860
word within a word to make a certain

558
00:24:58,860 --> 00:24:56,830
point he loved those those those word

559
00:25:00,720 --> 00:24:58,870
games which becomes very important in

560
00:25:05,310 --> 00:25:00,730
the evidence in this case you know later

561
00:25:06,930 --> 00:25:05,320
on so his influence but before we talk

562
00:25:09,030 --> 00:25:06,940
about specifically what happened I just

563
00:25:11,760 --> 00:25:09,040
want to drive home the point he

564
00:25:15,260 --> 00:25:11,770
born in 1916 he grew up with the silent

565
00:25:17,270 --> 00:25:15,270
movies he fell in love with the early

566
00:25:20,190 --> 00:25:17,280
science-fiction movies like metropolis

567
00:25:24,150 --> 00:25:20,200
silent movie yeah or the first King Kong

568
00:25:26,550 --> 00:25:24,160
at 1933 and he became a massive

569
00:25:28,740 --> 00:25:26,560
collector of all the props and

570
00:25:31,410 --> 00:25:28,750
memorabilia he could possibly find

571
00:25:34,740 --> 00:25:31,420
related to his favorite films the

572
00:25:38,120 --> 00:25:34,750
science fiction horror and fantasy he

573
00:25:40,770 --> 00:25:38,130
collected thousands of books he had

574
00:25:45,060 --> 00:25:40,780
probably thousands of movie posters

575
00:25:47,400 --> 00:25:45,070
lobby cards photos from the movies props

576
00:25:51,360 --> 00:25:47,410
from the movies the monster props

577
00:25:53,490 --> 00:25:51,370
themselves masks life masks that were

578
00:25:57,990 --> 00:25:53,500
made everything that you can imagine

579
00:25:59,880 --> 00:25:58,000
from the genre he eventually filled an

580
00:26:02,510 --> 00:25:59,890
eighteen room house with all of these

581
00:26:06,870 --> 00:26:02,520
things he called it the Accra mansion

582
00:26:09,420 --> 00:26:06,880
mm-hmm a writer Ray Bradbury I called it

583
00:26:13,350 --> 00:26:09,430
the Fort Knox of science fiction very

584
00:26:15,210 --> 00:26:13,360
property and and he was very generous in

585
00:26:17,310 --> 00:26:15,220
terms of letting people come over having

586
00:26:20,670 --> 00:26:17,320
open houses so people could see this on

587
00:26:22,800 --> 00:26:20,680
Saturdays and he endeared himself to

588
00:26:25,500 --> 00:26:22,810
many people through his generosity and

589
00:26:28,080 --> 00:26:25,510
sharing these things he was also a

590
00:26:31,220 --> 00:26:28,090
science fiction agent a writer you know

591
00:26:33,420 --> 00:26:31,230
a writer's agent and so the books that

592
00:26:36,780 --> 00:26:33,430
numerous science fiction movies were

593
00:26:38,490 --> 00:26:36,790
based on mm-hmm so as I said my

594
00:26:41,160 --> 00:26:38,500
connection with him began when I was a

595
00:26:43,530 --> 00:26:41,170
teenager I read the magazine I met him

596
00:26:45,420 --> 00:26:43,540
he looked at my little amateur monster

597
00:26:48,540 --> 00:26:45,430
movies he gave me publicity in the

598
00:26:51,810 --> 00:26:48,550
magazine he and his publisher James

599
00:26:54,120 --> 00:26:51,820
Warren both decided to do that and it

600
00:26:56,040 --> 00:26:54,130
you know it furthered things along for

601
00:26:57,810 --> 00:26:56,050
me and then I want a movie contest in

602
00:27:01,080 --> 00:26:57,820
their magazine it was an honorable

603
00:27:04,430 --> 00:27:01,090
mention so when I came to Los Angeles

604
00:27:07,110 --> 00:27:04,440
and was at the American Film Institute I

605
00:27:09,930 --> 00:27:07,120
solidified my relationship with fari I

606
00:27:12,750 --> 00:27:09,940
visited his house many times I brought

607
00:27:15,150 --> 00:27:12,760
him in as you know to have a seminar at

608
00:27:16,830 --> 00:27:15,160
the American Film Institute mm-hmm along

609
00:27:18,960 --> 00:27:16,840
with the great producer George Powell

610
00:27:20,970 --> 00:27:18,970
who I met around that time and then

611
00:27:22,620 --> 00:27:20,980
through the years I always kept in fart

612
00:27:24,780 --> 00:27:22,630
and I in touch with fari

613
00:27:27,480 --> 00:27:24,790
I went to all his birthday parties he

614
00:27:30,720 --> 00:27:27,490
came to a couple of mine he wrote a

615
00:27:33,990 --> 00:27:30,730
foreword for my first book he called it

616
00:27:36,900 --> 00:27:34,000
a forty word by the way of course yeah

617
00:27:40,260 --> 00:27:36,910
he's always with the puns and we called

618
00:27:43,800 --> 00:27:40,270
him for he so it was a long relationship

619
00:27:46,380 --> 00:27:43,810
that spanned the decades and I did

620
00:27:49,620 --> 00:27:46,390
become familiar with his atheism you

621
00:27:50,850 --> 00:27:49,630
know I I was not an atheist my attitude

622
00:27:52,530 --> 00:27:50,860
has always been that there is

623
00:27:54,930 --> 00:27:52,540
intelligence behind all of this creation

624
00:27:59,490 --> 00:27:54,940
didn't happen by accident I'd never

625
00:28:04,200 --> 00:27:59,500
believe that I think the evolution yes

626
00:28:06,720 --> 00:28:04,210
but it had help you know I I see grand

627
00:28:10,290 --> 00:28:06,730
design and intelligence and everything

628
00:28:13,470 --> 00:28:10,300
that's here agreed so I sort of

629
00:28:16,590 --> 00:28:13,480
challenged him on his attitude and the

630
00:28:17,970 --> 00:28:16,600
atheism and I said you know fari what if

631
00:28:21,750 --> 00:28:17,980
you're you know what if you're wrong

632
00:28:23,760 --> 00:28:21,760
you're in your 90s now and he said well

633
00:28:27,570 --> 00:28:23,770
you know I sincerely doubt that I'm

634
00:28:30,900 --> 00:28:27,580
wrong my atheism is a well-known fact

635
00:28:33,870 --> 00:28:30,910
I'll be an atheist til the day I die he

636
00:28:35,880 --> 00:28:33,880
said when the brain goes you know it's

637
00:28:38,100 --> 00:28:35,890
like a light bulb going out you know

638
00:28:40,470 --> 00:28:38,110
there's nothing more right right and he

639
00:28:43,200 --> 00:28:40,480
said you know but you know if if it did

640
00:28:45,210 --> 00:28:43,210
turn out that I was wrong and I died and

641
00:28:49,700 --> 00:28:45,220
woke up to some great science-fiction

642
00:28:53,430 --> 00:28:49,710
convention in the sky he said oh well

643
00:28:55,260 --> 00:28:53,440
after I had my reunions with all my

644
00:28:59,850 --> 00:28:55,270
favorite deceased um

645
00:29:02,550 --> 00:28:59,860
actors and my dear wife one Dane maybe I

646
00:29:03,860 --> 00:29:02,560
would drop you a line and he said it

647
00:29:08,160 --> 00:29:03,870
tonguing a little bit tongue-in-cheek

648
00:29:09,780 --> 00:29:08,170
but then he became very seriously he

649
00:29:12,840 --> 00:29:09,790
said you know but don't count on it

650
00:29:16,440 --> 00:29:12,850
you know not not gonna happen mm-hmm so

651
00:29:19,290 --> 00:29:16,450
that was the that was the setup for it

652
00:29:23,750 --> 00:29:19,300
and he didn't want a funeral he didn't

653
00:29:26,970 --> 00:29:23,760
want a memorial he he had a caretaker

654
00:29:28,980 --> 00:29:26,980
assistant best pal who lived with him

655
00:29:31,920 --> 00:29:28,990
about the last ten years a fella named

656
00:29:34,290 --> 00:29:31,930
Joe Moe Joe Moe said well okay no

657
00:29:36,120 --> 00:29:34,300
memorial no funeral but what what about

658
00:29:36,420 --> 00:29:36,130
a tribute what do you think of us having

659
00:29:38,670 --> 00:29:36,430
a true

660
00:29:41,790 --> 00:29:38,680
for you and he said that would be okay

661
00:29:44,280 --> 00:29:41,800
so the tribute followed his death by a

662
00:29:47,130 --> 00:29:44,290
couple of months it was at the Egyptian

663
00:29:48,320 --> 00:29:47,140
theater great restored theater in

664
00:29:51,240 --> 00:29:48,330
Hollywood yeah

665
00:29:54,060 --> 00:29:51,250
beautiful beautiful place and they

666
00:29:58,740 --> 00:29:54,070
filled every seat that day in early

667
00:30:02,360 --> 00:29:58,750
March of 2009 and that was the weekend

668
00:30:06,060 --> 00:30:02,370
that the weird stuff started to happen

669
00:30:09,990 --> 00:30:06,070
Greg and it's been happening ever since

670
00:30:11,820 --> 00:30:10,000
I didn't ask for it I mean I didn't I

671
00:30:14,820 --> 00:30:11,830
didn't I didn't seek it I never knew

672
00:30:17,430 --> 00:30:14,830
when something would happen but yes he

673
00:30:20,730 --> 00:30:17,440
did drop me a line literally even behind

674
00:30:24,000 --> 00:30:20,740
as an editor he changed a line of text

675
00:30:27,900 --> 00:30:24,010
in a document I had and I say he did it

676
00:30:30,450 --> 00:30:27,910
now after years of study and years of

677
00:30:33,780 --> 00:30:30,460
science and work with chemists on the

678
00:30:35,820 --> 00:30:33,790
actual ink in question and this was a

679
00:30:38,310 --> 00:30:35,830
question this wasn't something I jumped

680
00:30:40,200 --> 00:30:38,320
to lightly it wasn't a conclusion I

681
00:30:42,630 --> 00:30:40,210
jumped to right away Oh far he's trying

682
00:30:45,090 --> 00:30:42,640
to get in touch with me things happen

683
00:30:46,830 --> 00:30:45,100
and it gradually became clear you start

684
00:30:48,600 --> 00:30:46,840
to say wait a minute what's going on

685
00:30:51,210 --> 00:30:48,610
here there's just too many things

686
00:30:54,300 --> 00:30:51,220
related to him that are happening either

687
00:30:57,030 --> 00:30:54,310
in a really weird coincidental way or in

688
00:30:59,430 --> 00:30:57,040
a physically impossible way because

689
00:31:01,830 --> 00:30:59,440
something related to him is move it has

690
00:31:05,910 --> 00:31:01,840
moved on its own in a room that nobody

691
00:31:10,710 --> 00:31:05,920
was in or something I had that related

692
00:31:12,570 --> 00:31:10,720
to a film disappeared from a house and

693
00:31:15,720 --> 00:31:12,580
the whole house is searched it can't be

694
00:31:18,210 --> 00:31:15,730
found anywhere and and then it's found

695
00:31:20,700 --> 00:31:18,220
one morning right next to a computer

696
00:31:22,530 --> 00:31:20,710
right in plain sight and there's no one

697
00:31:25,140 --> 00:31:22,540
physically who could have put it there

698
00:31:27,240 --> 00:31:25,150
mm-hmm and then computers become

699
00:31:30,150 --> 00:31:27,250
involved so many things have happened

700
00:31:32,100 --> 00:31:30,160
with the computers for example I do have

701
00:31:34,260 --> 00:31:32,110
a lot of I have folders that have

702
00:31:35,940 --> 00:31:34,270
foreign material in my hard drives of

703
00:31:38,580 --> 00:31:35,950
various computers fine

704
00:31:40,770 --> 00:31:38,590
but if I have an open two folder there

705
00:31:42,480 --> 00:31:40,780
there's no explanation for why when I

706
00:31:46,170 --> 00:31:42,490
wake up in the morning and I come down

707
00:31:48,090 --> 00:31:46,180
and I jiggle the mouse and the computer

708
00:31:50,200 --> 00:31:48,100
becomes awake why would there be a large

709
00:31:52,920 --> 00:31:50,210
photo filling the screen of

710
00:31:55,390 --> 00:31:52,930
sorry Ackerman with director Joe Dante

711
00:31:57,640 --> 00:31:55,400
you know and sometimes these things

712
00:32:00,790 --> 00:31:57,650
would happen on his birthday or the

713
00:32:02,590 --> 00:32:00,800
anniversary of the year that he died and

714
00:32:04,630 --> 00:32:02,600
other times they would happen in

715
00:32:05,830 --> 00:32:04,640
response to my having a particular focus

716
00:32:08,340 --> 00:32:05,840
on him for some reason

717
00:32:10,990 --> 00:32:08,350
mm-hmm so the long and short of it is

718
00:32:13,930 --> 00:32:11,000
when these things started to happen I

719
00:32:16,120 --> 00:32:13,940
took out the video camera I began

720
00:32:18,100 --> 00:32:16,130
documenting everything that I could yeah

721
00:32:19,600 --> 00:32:18,110
when I went to scientists to begin to

722
00:32:22,180 --> 00:32:19,610
study the evidence at various

723
00:32:25,480 --> 00:32:22,190
universities I brought my camera to

724
00:32:28,060 --> 00:32:25,490
their labs and as they showed confusion

725
00:32:29,860 --> 00:32:28,070
as they showed they could not solve this

726
00:32:30,670 --> 00:32:29,870
easily and eventually they couldn't

727
00:32:33,760 --> 00:32:30,680
solve it at all

728
00:32:35,800 --> 00:32:33,770
and when ghostly things started

729
00:32:38,980 --> 00:32:35,810
happening to the very scientists who

730
00:32:42,820 --> 00:32:38,990
were researching this that they found

731
00:32:44,260 --> 00:32:42,830
you know disturbing and you know defying

732
00:32:46,690 --> 00:32:44,270
the laws of physics and it's happening

733
00:32:49,180 --> 00:32:46,700
to them mm-hmm I said well I got to make

734
00:32:51,310 --> 00:32:49,190
a movie like I've got enough material

735
00:32:53,440 --> 00:32:51,320
here let's make a documentary so that

736
00:32:56,770 --> 00:32:53,450
became the life-after-death project

737
00:32:59,230 --> 00:32:56,780
right on and then I had so much material

738
00:33:02,200 --> 00:32:59,240
I had a sequel the life after death

739
00:33:05,050 --> 00:33:02,210
project to that was that was 2013 when

740
00:33:06,940 --> 00:33:05,060
that came out nice so let's dive into a

741
00:33:08,800 --> 00:33:06,950
little of this let's talk about that

742
00:33:10,480 --> 00:33:08,810
literal line that he dropped you I

743
00:33:12,700 --> 00:33:10,490
believe you call it the ink blot

744
00:33:15,010 --> 00:33:12,710
obliteration I think that's probably the

745
00:33:16,150 --> 00:33:15,020
most compelling piece of evidence in

746
00:33:19,210 --> 00:33:16,160
this I think it was one of the first

747
00:33:21,790 --> 00:33:19,220
thing that happened right yeah for me it

748
00:33:25,480 --> 00:33:21,800
was the first thing that happened I I

749
00:33:27,310 --> 00:33:25,490
think I also think it is perhaps the

750
00:33:28,630 --> 00:33:27,320
most compelling because scientists have

751
00:33:30,640 --> 00:33:28,640
really been able to put their hands on

752
00:33:35,470 --> 00:33:30,650
the evidence I get involved in it and

753
00:33:37,810 --> 00:33:35,480
took it seriously and it you can easily

754
00:33:40,360 --> 00:33:37,820
interpret how it related to fari at that

755
00:33:44,080 --> 00:33:40,370
time that it happened but there have

756
00:33:45,940 --> 00:33:44,090
been other many other things physical

757
00:33:48,550 --> 00:33:45,950
things that have happened sometimes in

758
00:33:50,710 --> 00:33:48,560
front of witnesses that are very very

759
00:33:52,350 --> 00:33:50,720
compelling too it's just that you can't

760
00:33:55,600 --> 00:33:52,360
take those things into a laboratory

761
00:33:58,600 --> 00:33:55,610
exactly they ain't couple iteration so

762
00:34:00,160 --> 00:33:58,610
if you get the book the book that

763
00:34:03,040 --> 00:34:00,170
resulted from all of this as we've said

764
00:34:03,580 --> 00:34:03,050
is an atheist in heaven came out in

765
00:34:06,850 --> 00:34:03,590
April

766
00:34:09,159 --> 00:34:06,860
this year 2016 and if you get the book

767
00:34:11,889 --> 00:34:09,169
you'll see all the pictures relating to

768
00:34:13,329 --> 00:34:11,899
not only this first incident we call the

769
00:34:17,500 --> 00:34:13,339
ink blot obliteration

770
00:34:19,629 --> 00:34:17,510
but the laboratory work on it there's a

771
00:34:22,240 --> 00:34:19,639
chapter by a chemist who spent three

772
00:34:24,909 --> 00:34:22,250
years studying it and determined it was

773
00:34:27,250 --> 00:34:24,919
a mystery to science and you have his

774
00:34:30,730 --> 00:34:27,260
tables and charts and graphs and many

775
00:34:32,470 --> 00:34:30,740
pictures of the ink obliteration it

776
00:34:34,599 --> 00:34:32,480
leached through to the second page of

777
00:34:37,060 --> 00:34:34,609
the document and you see that so it's

778
00:34:39,460 --> 00:34:37,070
all to be found in an atheist in heaven

779
00:34:42,730 --> 00:34:39,470
in a way that if their chemistry

780
00:34:44,169 --> 00:34:42,740
professors listening scientists in a way

781
00:34:47,560 --> 00:34:44,179
that will speak to their language

782
00:34:49,930 --> 00:34:47,570
particularly through the chapter of dr.

783
00:34:51,879 --> 00:34:49,940
John Allison a chemist from college in

784
00:34:54,190 --> 00:34:51,889
New Jersey now you want to know would

785
00:34:54,849 --> 00:34:54,200
like me to tell what it was and how it

786
00:35:00,609 --> 00:34:54,859
came about

787
00:35:01,990 --> 00:35:00,619
sir please it was March 17th or 18th I

788
00:35:07,089 --> 00:35:02,000
think was the eighth evening of the

789
00:35:10,050 --> 00:35:07,099
March 18th in 2009 and after far-east

790
00:35:12,250 --> 00:35:10,060
tribute in los angeles i had flown to

791
00:35:15,609 --> 00:35:12,260
albuquerque and gone up to a vacation

792
00:35:17,410 --> 00:35:15,619
house we have in Santa Fe New Mexico my

793
00:35:19,990 --> 00:35:17,420
wife was not able to accompany me on

794
00:35:21,940 --> 00:35:20,000
that trip and I often do take trips

795
00:35:24,220 --> 00:35:21,950
there alone and I paint it's where I

796
00:35:26,220 --> 00:35:24,230
create a lot of paintings and I've even

797
00:35:29,650 --> 00:35:26,230
used the house as a production office

798
00:35:33,040 --> 00:35:29,660
for two of the films mm-hmm but so I

799
00:35:35,440 --> 00:35:33,050
took this trip alone and that's getting

800
00:35:36,550 --> 00:35:35,450
to be around tax season in the early

801
00:35:39,790 --> 00:35:36,560
mid-march

802
00:35:42,820 --> 00:35:39,800
so I printed out I gave the print

803
00:35:46,660 --> 00:35:42,830
command to print out a document was 24

804
00:35:50,200 --> 00:35:46,670
pages it was a log sort of like a diary

805
00:35:52,450 --> 00:35:50,210
with little shorthand notes of my

806
00:35:54,870 --> 00:35:52,460
business meetings of the previous years

807
00:35:57,790 --> 00:35:54,880
and any important business phone calls

808
00:36:00,400 --> 00:35:57,800
mm-hmm and I wanted to print this out

809
00:36:03,099 --> 00:36:00,410
and go over it so I could see you know

810
00:36:04,570 --> 00:36:03,109
if they were business meals or had I had

811
00:36:06,430 --> 00:36:04,580
business travel you know things for

812
00:36:08,710 --> 00:36:06,440
deductions so yeah it sort of put the

813
00:36:10,540 --> 00:36:08,720
year together in your mind but it was 24

814
00:36:12,520 --> 00:36:10,550
pages and I didn't want to wait around

815
00:36:14,740 --> 00:36:12,530
while I printed the whole 24 pages so I

816
00:36:16,940 --> 00:36:14,750
pressed the print command and I went out

817
00:36:29,089 --> 00:36:16,950
I

818
00:36:34,849 --> 00:36:29,099
winner than a loser with very small

819
00:36:37,370 --> 00:36:34,859
stakes five $5 chips so I came back to

820
00:36:39,560 --> 00:36:37,380
the house after I played at the casino

821
00:36:40,880 --> 00:36:39,570
and I had dinner at the casino and the

822
00:36:44,089 --> 00:36:40,890
dinner didn't agree with me

823
00:36:46,329 --> 00:36:44,099
so I was feeling us you know had its

824
00:36:49,609 --> 00:36:46,339
stomach upset I got back to the house

825
00:36:51,319 --> 00:36:49,619
and the first thing I did was you know

826
00:36:53,210 --> 00:36:51,329
well I lock all the doors we have a

827
00:36:55,430 --> 00:36:53,220
security system I'm the only one there

828
00:36:57,650 --> 00:36:55,440
and I go into my office and I collect

829
00:37:00,140 --> 00:36:57,660
the 24 page document which is printed

830
00:37:02,000 --> 00:37:00,150
out and of course the ink is dry and I

831
00:37:04,430 --> 00:37:02,010
look it over and it looks it's

832
00:37:06,349 --> 00:37:04,440
completely normal there's nothing out of

833
00:37:08,569 --> 00:37:06,359
line about the document I staple it and

834
00:37:11,359 --> 00:37:08,579
I take it upstairs and I was really

835
00:37:14,030 --> 00:37:11,369
feeling nauseous I I put the document

836
00:37:16,760 --> 00:37:14,040
down on the bed went into the bathroom

837
00:37:19,880 --> 00:37:16,770
and was stomach sick and then I came out

838
00:37:21,800 --> 00:37:19,890
about five minutes later and as soon as

839
00:37:26,120 --> 00:37:21,810
I looked at the document I could see

840
00:37:28,609 --> 00:37:26,130
that it had been changed I was in shock

841
00:37:31,760 --> 00:37:28,619
when I saw this I was just in shock

842
00:37:35,420 --> 00:37:31,770
because as I looked at it but we call

843
00:37:39,890 --> 00:37:35,430
the ink obliteration it was four words

844
00:37:42,470 --> 00:37:39,900
blacked out neatly precisely clearly

845
00:37:45,470 --> 00:37:42,480
targeted mm-hmm it couldn't have been

846
00:37:47,870 --> 00:37:45,480
some accident you know this wasn't water

847
00:37:51,380 --> 00:37:47,880
dripping from the ceiling or a leaky pen

848
00:37:53,480 --> 00:37:51,390
in the bed impossible because it was

849
00:37:55,790 --> 00:37:53,490
done so neatly you could tell those

850
00:37:59,450 --> 00:37:55,800
words were chosen to be blacked out

851
00:38:02,150 --> 00:37:59,460
mm-hmm and the ink or whatever was used

852
00:38:05,240 --> 00:38:02,160
to black it out was still moist and the

853
00:38:06,740 --> 00:38:05,250
first two words you could still you

854
00:38:08,569 --> 00:38:06,750
could see through them you could read

855
00:38:11,930 --> 00:38:08,579
the first two words but the second two

856
00:38:14,780 --> 00:38:11,940
words were completely blacked out and I

857
00:38:15,920 --> 00:38:14,790
didn't know whether I say second two

858
00:38:17,569 --> 00:38:15,930
words I didn't know whether it was two

859
00:38:19,339 --> 00:38:17,579
words or three you couldn't read it at

860
00:38:22,359 --> 00:38:19,349
all I was gonna have to go back to the

861
00:38:26,720 --> 00:38:22,369
original file to see what it was so that

862
00:38:30,110 --> 00:38:26,730
was a key moment in my life because I I

863
00:38:35,960 --> 00:38:30,120
felt fear I was great

864
00:38:39,500 --> 00:38:35,970
with a very very strange sensation it's

865
00:38:42,410 --> 00:38:39,510
terrifying and why because I'm alone in

866
00:38:44,210 --> 00:38:42,420
the house no one physically as president

867
00:38:47,330 --> 00:38:44,220
who could have done this but someone had

868
00:38:50,960 --> 00:38:47,340
to do it so what does that leave that

869
00:38:52,940 --> 00:38:50,970
leaves a ghost right it's it it was done

870
00:38:54,410 --> 00:38:52,950
by something unseen there's nobody

871
00:38:58,630 --> 00:38:54,420
hiding in the house that did it

872
00:39:01,670 --> 00:38:58,640
mm-hmm and I regarded it as evidence and

873
00:39:03,710 --> 00:39:01,680
so I didn't touch it didn't touch the

874
00:39:06,440 --> 00:39:03,720
ink and I kept it very carefully I

875
00:39:08,540 --> 00:39:06,450
photographed it and within a number of

876
00:39:10,820 --> 00:39:08,550
weeks I was taking that to a top

877
00:39:13,730 --> 00:39:10,830
chemistry laboratory at University of

878
00:39:17,660 --> 00:39:13,740
Indiana right to begin the studies and

879
00:39:20,630 --> 00:39:17,670
it took a while it took quite a number

880
00:39:24,260 --> 00:39:20,640
of days for me to figure out what that

881
00:39:26,510 --> 00:39:24,270
in obliteration the words chosen what it

882
00:39:28,850 --> 00:39:26,520
meant mm-hmm because at first I'm just

883
00:39:30,320 --> 00:39:28,860
reacting with you see something like

884
00:39:32,380 --> 00:39:30,330
that and you know you've seen in movies

885
00:39:35,240 --> 00:39:32,390
maybe a pirate movie the black Spock

886
00:39:39,860 --> 00:39:35,250
yeah the black spot mean it means you're

887
00:39:42,650 --> 00:39:39,870
gonna die right and I had this fear you

888
00:39:44,150 --> 00:39:42,660
know this this paranormal thing happened

889
00:39:46,400 --> 00:39:44,160
is you know is it telling me that I'm

890
00:39:50,450 --> 00:39:46,410
soon gonna die I mean it's very very

891
00:39:52,340 --> 00:39:50,460
very scary learn something yeah it is it

892
00:39:54,200 --> 00:39:52,350
turns out it had nothing to do with that

893
00:39:58,040 --> 00:39:54,210
you know I'm still alive after all these

894
00:40:00,500 --> 00:39:58,050
years and well and the inked

895
00:40:03,220 --> 00:40:00,510
obliteration had very good intentions

896
00:40:06,050 --> 00:40:03,230
behind it it wasn't intended to scare me

897
00:40:08,480 --> 00:40:06,060
it was it was intended to send me a

898
00:40:11,330 --> 00:40:08,490
message but I couldn't figure it out at

899
00:40:13,130 --> 00:40:11,340
first mm-hmm so should I talk about how

900
00:40:13,940 --> 00:40:13,140
I figured it out is that well yeah let's

901
00:40:16,070 --> 00:40:13,950
uh let's

902
00:40:17,330 --> 00:40:16,080
you know satisfy that curiosity people

903
00:40:20,180 --> 00:40:17,340
are probably feeling and talked to us

904
00:40:23,480 --> 00:40:20,190
about what those words were and what the

905
00:40:25,160 --> 00:40:23,490
message was okay and I do hope you know

906
00:40:27,200 --> 00:40:25,170
I may be telling a lot of the story here

907
00:40:27,800 --> 00:40:27,210
but I do hope people will get an atheist

908
00:40:29,690 --> 00:40:27,810
in heaven

909
00:40:32,000 --> 00:40:29,700
oh yeah there's tons more stuff in there

910
00:40:34,010 --> 00:40:32,010
read it all and see it all yeah because

911
00:40:36,020 --> 00:40:34,020
this one this was the first incident but

912
00:40:38,840 --> 00:40:36,030
we have a glossary in the book of a

913
00:40:41,600 --> 00:40:38,850
hundred and forty incidents probably

914
00:40:42,700 --> 00:40:41,610
about a hundred of which related to fari

915
00:40:44,890 --> 00:40:42,710
Ackerman and

916
00:40:48,280 --> 00:40:44,900
and in the years after he passed away so

917
00:40:51,720 --> 00:40:48,290
this was just the opening chapter step

918
00:40:54,220 --> 00:40:51,730
number one of a continuing friendship a

919
00:40:58,630 --> 00:40:54,230
continuing relationship after he passed

920
00:41:03,040 --> 00:40:58,640
away so the words themselves alright

921
00:41:07,089 --> 00:41:03,050
the words were spoke to joe amodei and

922
00:41:08,890 --> 00:41:07,099
joe amodei was completely blacked out

923
00:41:11,980 --> 00:41:08,900
now those were the words that you

924
00:41:14,920 --> 00:41:11,990
couldn't read and when I saw my computer

925
00:41:17,829 --> 00:41:14,930
file it was spoke to joe hamid i it just

926
00:41:20,290 --> 00:41:17,839
make any sense to me because this isn't

927
00:41:23,530 --> 00:41:20,300
somebody that i even really knew he had

928
00:41:25,780 --> 00:41:23,540
been referred to me to talk to him about

929
00:41:27,760 --> 00:41:25,790
to film distribution you know the

930
00:41:31,599 --> 00:41:27,770
question was you know was he interested

931
00:41:35,050 --> 00:41:31,609
in distributing my recent film jesus in

932
00:41:37,480 --> 00:41:35,060
india and i had one conversation with

933
00:41:39,550 --> 00:41:37,490
him he was a DVD distributor but he

934
00:41:40,690 --> 00:41:39,560
wasn't interested in that or at least it

935
00:41:45,250 --> 00:41:40,700
wasn't gonna work for us

936
00:41:48,820 --> 00:41:45,260
so why would anyone living or dead black

937
00:41:51,310 --> 00:41:48,830
out his name on my document and then i

938
00:41:53,829 --> 00:41:51,320
noticed a couple of lines were higher on

939
00:41:54,760 --> 00:41:53,839
the document it said on a previous day i

940
00:41:58,000 --> 00:41:54,770
had left

941
00:42:02,260 --> 00:41:58,010
message for joe amodei well left message

942
00:42:04,420 --> 00:42:02,270
wasn't what was blacked out spoke to was

943
00:42:07,089 --> 00:42:04,430
what was blacked out so why would the

944
00:42:09,579 --> 00:42:07,099
ghost if you will choose spoke to rather

945
00:42:10,960 --> 00:42:09,589
than left message what wouldn't what was

946
00:42:16,030 --> 00:42:10,970
he trying to say what was the difference

947
00:42:18,220 --> 00:42:16,040
right so I remembered that filmmakers

948
00:42:20,230 --> 00:42:18,230
who came to the tribute from Canada had

949
00:42:22,079 --> 00:42:20,240
told me about something paranormal that

950
00:42:25,150 --> 00:42:22,089
happened to them that day of the tribute

951
00:42:29,050 --> 00:42:25,160
that they thought was fari contacting

952
00:42:31,450 --> 00:42:29,060
them and so I'd heard that story for

953
00:42:34,630 --> 00:42:31,460
them so it was in my mind could this be

954
00:42:36,510 --> 00:42:34,640
a continuation of of that you know was

955
00:42:40,810 --> 00:42:36,520
this from from from fari

956
00:42:42,910 --> 00:42:40,820
so I wanted to get some old manuscripts

957
00:42:45,490 --> 00:42:42,920
or see manuscripts that had his editing

958
00:42:47,829 --> 00:42:45,500
style because I wanted to know how does

959
00:42:49,960 --> 00:42:47,839
he black out words when he's editing

960
00:42:52,150 --> 00:42:49,970
does he just put one simple little line

961
00:42:54,260 --> 00:42:52,160
through it or does he completely black

962
00:42:56,450 --> 00:42:54,270
out the word so you can't even read him

963
00:42:58,790 --> 00:42:56,460
and I needed to find something that I

964
00:43:01,310 --> 00:42:58,800
knew was by him to answer that question

965
00:43:03,710 --> 00:43:01,320
and I figured that the guy who would

966
00:43:05,030 --> 00:43:03,720
know the answer was a gel Moe who'd

967
00:43:09,080 --> 00:43:05,040
lived with him for the last ten years

968
00:43:10,670 --> 00:43:09,090
and when I called Jomo to ask him he

969
00:43:12,680 --> 00:43:10,680
didn't even let me get the question out

970
00:43:16,220 --> 00:43:12,690
here's the guy who had organized the

971
00:43:19,910 --> 00:43:16,230
tribute for fari a week earlier and he

972
00:43:21,950 --> 00:43:19,920
excitedly told me on the phone he said

973
00:43:23,990 --> 00:43:21,960
you know I'm a skeptic like far he was I

974
00:43:26,390 --> 00:43:24,000
don't believe in this stuff but it did

975
00:43:30,190 --> 00:43:26,400
happen to me I I don't know whether it

976
00:43:33,680 --> 00:43:30,200
was an apparition affari a lucid dream

977
00:43:36,260 --> 00:43:33,690
he said it this did happen just moments

978
00:43:41,150 --> 00:43:36,270
before I woke up it was more real than

979
00:43:42,950 --> 00:43:41,160
anything in real life fari walked into

980
00:43:47,150 --> 00:43:42,960
my room with a smile on his face

981
00:43:51,230 --> 00:43:47,160
and in his own way a funny way also well

982
00:43:54,920 --> 00:43:51,240
filled with movie references thanked Jo

983
00:43:56,870 --> 00:43:54,930
for the tribute hmm I had been a speaker

984
00:43:59,450 --> 00:43:56,880
at the tribute to so I had been part of

985
00:44:01,760 --> 00:43:59,460
it and there were many other speakers

986
00:44:05,000 --> 00:44:01,770
including Ray Bradbury and John Landis

987
00:44:10,490 --> 00:44:05,010
and Peter Jackson checked in by video

988
00:44:12,500 --> 00:44:10,500
from New Zealand so he said Jomo said

989
00:44:16,520 --> 00:44:12,510
you know it was like far he came and

990
00:44:19,070 --> 00:44:16,530
spoke to me there it is yeah there it is

991
00:44:21,950 --> 00:44:19,080
because that what was blacked out was

992
00:44:25,670 --> 00:44:21,960
spoke to Joe a mode d or

993
00:44:29,870 --> 00:44:25,680
a mode a and G Joe Meaux is right in the

994
00:44:33,230 --> 00:44:29,880
middle of a mode a writin so clearly in

995
00:44:37,010 --> 00:44:33,240
fari speak with his wordplay that he

996
00:44:39,260 --> 00:44:37,020
always did I find a long history of his

997
00:44:41,450 --> 00:44:39,270
puns his wordplay words within words

998
00:44:46,520 --> 00:44:41,460
word games there it is

999
00:44:50,090 --> 00:44:46,530
spoke to Joe Moe is the message and in a

1000
00:44:52,670 --> 00:44:50,100
way I felt like he's reinforcing for me

1001
00:44:54,770 --> 00:44:52,680
that he really did appear to Joe and

1002
00:44:57,830 --> 00:44:54,780
speak to Joe it wasn't some dream it

1003
00:45:00,349 --> 00:44:57,840
wasn't a hallucination but it was real

1004
00:45:03,170 --> 00:45:00,359
and he was confirming it for me you see

1005
00:45:06,050 --> 00:45:03,180
mm-hmm this is the only thing I could

1006
00:45:07,380 --> 00:45:06,060
think of that made sense to explain what

1007
00:45:10,589 --> 00:45:07,390
had happened to me and

1008
00:45:13,019 --> 00:45:10,599
I had that thought in my mind and I did

1009
00:45:15,480 --> 00:45:13,029
make arrangements to go first to the top

1010
00:45:18,990 --> 00:45:15,490
chemist at University of Indiana

1011
00:45:22,559 --> 00:45:19,000
I wanted to know can science explain

1012
00:45:25,200 --> 00:45:22,569
this is there something I don't know

1013
00:45:28,680 --> 00:45:25,210
that happened you know chemically and

1014
00:45:31,259 --> 00:45:28,690
because my attitude was look if you if

1015
00:45:32,519 --> 00:45:31,269
the scientists can tell me why and how

1016
00:45:34,620 --> 00:45:32,529
it happened and give me an ordinary

1017
00:45:37,349 --> 00:45:34,630
explanation for it and forget about your

1018
00:45:39,089 --> 00:45:37,359
ghost call you know no ghosts you know

1019
00:45:41,069 --> 00:45:39,099
you don't need to believe in that or

1020
00:45:42,509 --> 00:45:41,079
anything paranormal because here we can

1021
00:45:44,130 --> 00:45:42,519
map it right out for you we can tell you

1022
00:45:45,870 --> 00:45:44,140
just what happened exactly

1023
00:45:47,849 --> 00:45:45,880
but you've given us the ink we can study

1024
00:45:52,460 --> 00:45:47,859
it with the best tools of modern science

1025
00:45:55,559 --> 00:45:52,470
and the result Greg was one scientist

1026
00:45:57,859 --> 00:45:55,569
starts it that's dr. J Siegel who was

1027
00:46:01,109 --> 00:45:57,869
then chairman the chemistry department

1028
00:46:02,490 --> 00:46:01,119
Indiana University Purdue University

1029
00:46:04,589 --> 00:46:02,500
Indianapolis

1030
00:46:06,720 --> 00:46:04,599
I may have said University of Indiana

1031
00:46:09,509 --> 00:46:06,730
before but it's properly it said it's I

1032
00:46:12,390 --> 00:46:09,519
think Indiana University and here's a

1033
00:46:16,130 --> 00:46:12,400
man who's absolutely world-class experts

1034
00:46:19,079 --> 00:46:16,140
on inks paints dyes solvents and

1035
00:46:22,470 --> 00:46:19,089
forensic chemistry here's a man who's

1036
00:46:24,299 --> 00:46:22,480
testified in many many court cases where

1037
00:46:26,910 --> 00:46:24,309
chemistry could be the thing that would

1038
00:46:29,370 --> 00:46:26,920
determine guilt or innocence and he's

1039
00:46:32,549 --> 00:46:29,380
written textbooks on forensic chemistry

1040
00:46:35,099 --> 00:46:32,559
so it's no exaggeration to say dr. J

1041
00:46:38,519 --> 00:46:35,109
Siegel one of the most important

1042
00:46:42,960 --> 00:46:38,529
chemists in the United States hmm and he

1043
00:46:45,980 --> 00:46:42,970
began the experimentation he used like a

1044
00:46:50,910 --> 00:46:45,990
pinhole prick thing to take little

1045
00:46:52,499 --> 00:46:50,920
samples out of the the ink and like the

1046
00:46:55,680 --> 00:46:52,509
original analysis I think was

1047
00:46:58,620 --> 00:46:55,690
spectrographic and he was trying to see

1048
00:47:02,069 --> 00:46:58,630
if he could identify I think a solvent

1049
00:47:03,960 --> 00:47:02,079
he had hid a long long list of solvents

1050
00:47:06,329 --> 00:47:03,970
and inks that he had studied and he was

1051
00:47:08,640 --> 00:47:06,339
trying to categorize it and it wasn't

1052
00:47:10,400 --> 00:47:08,650
matching up with anything he had well

1053
00:47:13,980 --> 00:47:10,410
there's a reason it wasn't matching up

1054
00:47:15,900 --> 00:47:13,990
there were chemicals in the ink that has

1055
00:47:18,779 --> 00:47:15,910
determined later by the scientist in New

1056
00:47:21,000 --> 00:47:18,789
Jersey that the chemicals of the

1057
00:47:24,180 --> 00:47:21,010
original ink from the printer

1058
00:47:28,830 --> 00:47:24,190
there but mixed in with other chemicals

1059
00:47:30,540 --> 00:47:28,840
like silver and calcium chromate so the

1060
00:47:32,010 --> 00:47:30,550
spectrographic didn't give it a perfect

1061
00:47:34,140 --> 00:47:32,020
match to anything and those were things

1062
00:47:37,770 --> 00:47:34,150
that were used in inks like hundreds of

1063
00:47:39,540 --> 00:47:37,780
years ago right yes yes that that that's

1064
00:47:41,910 --> 00:47:39,550
right the particularly the calcium

1065
00:47:45,060 --> 00:47:41,920
chromate was related to the yellow and

1066
00:47:49,200 --> 00:47:45,070
and it paints in paints I think it was

1067
00:47:53,100 --> 00:47:49,210
and silver showed up in the ferrule of

1068
00:47:55,410 --> 00:47:53,110
Burley paintbrushes yeah so I really

1069
00:47:57,120 --> 00:47:55,420
love that chemical analysis I mean that

1070
00:47:59,120 --> 00:47:57,130
just kind of sends a chill down your

1071
00:48:01,680 --> 00:47:59,130
spine when you find out about that odd

1072
00:48:04,500 --> 00:48:01,690
composition but you know now that you've

1073
00:48:06,240 --> 00:48:04,510
had eight years worth of paranormal

1074
00:48:08,160 --> 00:48:06,250
events following this game of

1075
00:48:10,500 --> 00:48:08,170
interdimensional tag you've been playing

1076
00:48:12,570 --> 00:48:10,510
with Forest how has this shaped your

1077
00:48:14,190 --> 00:48:12,580
views on the afterlife and what it might

1078
00:48:16,320 --> 00:48:14,200
be like what have you learned about the

1079
00:48:19,680 --> 00:48:16,330
say the rules of engagement are the

1080
00:48:23,340 --> 00:48:19,690
limitations of it it's a really tough

1081
00:48:26,090 --> 00:48:23,350
question and a good one I think the

1082
00:48:29,970 --> 00:48:26,100
first thing would be to say the basics

1083
00:48:33,300 --> 00:48:29,980
the basics of it is that there's

1084
00:48:36,870 --> 00:48:33,310
evidence of the survival of far E's

1085
00:48:40,170 --> 00:48:36,880
intelligence and his personality and his

1086
00:48:43,350 --> 00:48:40,180
sense of humor mm-hmm so why personality

1087
00:48:45,120 --> 00:48:43,360
well you know he was an editor he word

1088
00:48:48,060 --> 00:48:45,130
games and that was the way he first

1089
00:48:51,990 --> 00:48:48,070
communicated with me and many of the

1090
00:48:53,610 --> 00:48:52,000
contacts that followed had reflected you

1091
00:48:57,390 --> 00:48:53,620
know the humor that was natural to his

1092
00:48:59,550 --> 00:48:57,400
personality so it's a way of his saying

1093
00:49:02,490 --> 00:48:59,560
I'm still here of letting me know that

1094
00:49:04,410 --> 00:49:02,500
he was wrong mm-hmm and of in continuing

1095
00:49:06,900 --> 00:49:04,420
to interact and showing he continues to

1096
00:49:09,390 --> 00:49:06,910
be aware and particularly of things that

1097
00:49:10,830 --> 00:49:09,400
relate to him now the rules of

1098
00:49:13,950 --> 00:49:10,840
engagement that's a tough question

1099
00:49:16,200 --> 00:49:13,960
because most of the things that have

1100
00:49:18,360 --> 00:49:16,210
happened have happened when I didn't

1101
00:49:19,560 --> 00:49:18,370
expect them at all you know they took me

1102
00:49:22,770 --> 00:49:19,570
completely by surprise

1103
00:49:26,250 --> 00:49:22,780
mm-hm and sometimes they were things

1104
00:49:29,610 --> 00:49:26,260
that almost seemed like jokes or pranks

1105
00:49:31,050 --> 00:49:29,620
you wouldn't undertake know what's the

1106
00:49:32,850 --> 00:49:31,060
meaning behind that you know he's just

1107
00:49:34,710 --> 00:49:32,860
trying to give me a little nudge on the

1108
00:49:36,870 --> 00:49:34,720
shoulder and tell me he's still here

1109
00:49:39,720 --> 00:49:36,880
but a lot of them were things that

1110
00:49:42,900 --> 00:49:39,730
related directly to him you know like

1111
00:49:45,930 --> 00:49:42,910
when a mask of his face moves by itself

1112
00:49:49,589 --> 00:49:45,940
across the room ten feet with no

1113
00:49:51,450 --> 00:49:49,599
explanation for how it has moved or when

1114
00:49:53,550 --> 00:49:51,460
this was a good one

1115
00:49:56,609 --> 00:49:53,560
and the fact that he makes a silenced

1116
00:49:58,830 --> 00:49:56,619
gesture that we use on the cover so

1117
00:50:00,839 --> 00:49:58,840
silence you know that the Silence of the

1118
00:50:03,570 --> 00:50:00,849
night you know this is one of the things

1119
00:50:05,400 --> 00:50:03,580
of his is sort of his zombie horror

1120
00:50:08,520 --> 00:50:05,410
culture right yeah yeah of course his

1121
00:50:10,530 --> 00:50:08,530
love of Bela Lugosi and Acula and the

1122
00:50:13,109 --> 00:50:10,540
fact that when I tried to do the final

1123
00:50:15,990 --> 00:50:13,119
output of the film that was going to go

1124
00:50:18,890 --> 00:50:16,000
to broadcast for the sci-fi channel the

1125
00:50:22,050 --> 00:50:18,900
sound completely cut out of the movie

1126
00:50:24,089 --> 00:50:22,060
exactly when a friend of fairies who was

1127
00:50:26,609 --> 00:50:24,099
present when far he died was talking

1128
00:50:28,380 --> 00:50:26,619
about fari silence gesture so he's

1129
00:50:30,690 --> 00:50:28,390
talking about the silence gesture that

1130
00:50:32,370 --> 00:50:30,700
indicates the silence of death and at

1131
00:50:34,109 --> 00:50:32,380
that moment there's no what no more

1132
00:50:36,450 --> 00:50:34,119
soundtrack in the movie until the very

1133
00:50:38,670 --> 00:50:36,460
end of the movie you know it makes no

1134
00:50:41,930 --> 00:50:38,680
sense unless it's intentional mmm-hmm

1135
00:50:44,220 --> 00:50:41,940
the odds of it happening are absolutely

1136
00:50:46,650 --> 00:50:44,230
miniscule and there was nothing wrong

1137
00:50:49,260 --> 00:50:46,660
with the hard drives or the the data

1138
00:50:52,140 --> 00:50:49,270
that went into creating this right so

1139
00:50:55,470 --> 00:50:52,150
when when the listeners read an atheist

1140
00:50:58,050 --> 00:50:55,480
in heaven you'll see you'll see the vast

1141
00:51:00,000 --> 00:50:58,060
array of things that happen and then the

1142
00:51:02,849 --> 00:51:00,010
things that happen to the scientists for

1143
00:51:05,370 --> 00:51:02,859
example I talked about J Siegel I didn't

1144
00:51:07,230 --> 00:51:05,380
talked about dr. Allison John Allison

1145
00:51:10,290 --> 00:51:07,240
who's contributed two chapters to an

1146
00:51:13,109 --> 00:51:10,300
atheist in heaven when he began to study

1147
00:51:16,740 --> 00:51:13,119
this at Jay Siegel's request using laser

1148
00:51:19,140 --> 00:51:16,750
desorption to dissect the chemistry from

1149
00:51:22,320 --> 00:51:19,150
the very first day of the studies when I

1150
00:51:24,329 --> 00:51:22,330
brought the document to him unexplained

1151
00:51:26,640 --> 00:51:24,339
phenomena began to happen to him and

1152
00:51:29,099 --> 00:51:26,650
some of it was caught on film I actually

1153
00:51:30,510 --> 00:51:29,109
fell I mean videotape on camera hmm a

1154
00:51:32,099 --> 00:51:30,520
number of these things that have

1155
00:51:34,260 --> 00:51:32,109
happened through the years have been

1156
00:51:37,140 --> 00:51:34,270
caught on camera while the camera was

1157
00:51:38,910 --> 00:51:37,150
scrolling which I think it's wonderful

1158
00:51:41,099 --> 00:51:38,920
we got that kind of evidence so the

1159
00:51:44,609 --> 00:51:41,109
rules of the engagement seem to include

1160
00:51:45,220 --> 00:51:44,619
allowing us here in corporeal form on

1161
00:51:49,150 --> 00:51:45,230
the earth

1162
00:51:52,520 --> 00:51:49,160
to have tangible evidence there I know

1163
00:51:54,980 --> 00:51:52,530
that we're interacting with intelligence

1164
00:51:58,040 --> 00:51:54,990
from another realm that we can't see

1165
00:51:59,840 --> 00:51:58,050
mm-hmm and a lot of it does seem subtle

1166
00:52:01,910 --> 00:51:59,850
I mean not only in this case but other

1167
00:52:04,280 --> 00:52:01,920
cases or it seems maybe personal these

1168
00:52:06,590 --> 00:52:04,290
little brief slivers of strangeness but

1169
00:52:08,900 --> 00:52:06,600
I do love synchronicities and one thing

1170
00:52:11,060 --> 00:52:08,910
that I've learned about synchronicity is

1171
00:52:13,160 --> 00:52:11,070
that it usually works in these weird

1172
00:52:15,530 --> 00:52:13,170
groupings of connections where

1173
00:52:18,080 --> 00:52:15,540
oftentimes you have you can close a loop

1174
00:52:20,810 --> 00:52:18,090
around three or four different points of

1175
00:52:23,300 --> 00:52:20,820
coincidence and you mentioned the blue

1176
00:52:25,910 --> 00:52:23,310
for a painting or the the gesture the

1177
00:52:27,800 --> 00:52:25,920
hush gesture mm-hmm and that touches on

1178
00:52:30,170 --> 00:52:27,810
another thing that's really compelling

1179
00:52:32,000 --> 00:52:30,180
and that has to do with that blue for a

1180
00:52:33,290 --> 00:52:32,010
painting it's another great example of

1181
00:52:35,300 --> 00:52:33,300
one of these loops can you tell us a

1182
00:52:39,380 --> 00:52:35,310
little bit about that yes well the

1183
00:52:41,930 --> 00:52:39,390
original painting by LJ dot which became

1184
00:52:44,150 --> 00:52:41,940
the cover of the life after death

1185
00:52:46,580 --> 00:52:44,160
project it has a clock in the background

1186
00:52:49,580 --> 00:52:46,590
with the hands of the clock at two

1187
00:52:53,210 --> 00:52:49,590
minutes to midnight and it was painted

1188
00:52:55,820 --> 00:52:53,220
four years before fari passed away well

1189
00:52:59,210 --> 00:52:55,830
Earl Rozelle who was present when fari

1190
00:53:02,260 --> 00:52:59,220
died reports that far he died at two

1191
00:53:04,460 --> 00:53:02,270
minutes to midnight and that's exactly

1192
00:53:05,660 --> 00:53:04,470
what the hands of the clock showed in

1193
00:53:09,400 --> 00:53:05,670
the painting that was made four years

1194
00:53:13,220 --> 00:53:09,410
before he died so that's a really

1195
00:53:14,870 --> 00:53:13,230
inexplicable okay so as a major skeptic

1196
00:53:17,780 --> 00:53:14,880
would say well coincidence coincidence

1197
00:53:19,640 --> 00:53:17,790
how how you gonna explain it time travel

1198
00:53:21,620 --> 00:53:19,650
you know that a fari spirit from the

1199
00:53:23,690 --> 00:53:21,630
future goes back in time and influences

1200
00:53:26,090 --> 00:53:23,700
the artist and knows when he's gonna you

1201
00:53:29,840 --> 00:53:26,100
know you can't explain it in logical

1202
00:53:32,300 --> 00:53:29,850
terms at all but the the mystery was

1203
00:53:34,640 --> 00:53:32,310
compounded the mystery of the the

1204
00:53:36,710 --> 00:53:34,650
painting when I was asked to write an

1205
00:53:39,620 --> 00:53:36,720
article about this for faith magazine

1206
00:53:42,290 --> 00:53:39,630
yes I was called a strange case of

1207
00:53:45,650 --> 00:53:42,300
Forrest J Ackerman and while I was

1208
00:53:49,520 --> 00:53:45,660
writing a paragraph I wrote on the first

1209
00:53:52,940 --> 00:53:49,530
page of the article about LJ DOPS

1210
00:53:55,520 --> 00:53:52,950
painting right in the middle of LJ DOPS

1211
00:53:58,130 --> 00:53:55,530
name if I think was after the LJ there's

1212
00:53:58,880 --> 00:53:58,140
a huge misprint in the article that

1213
00:54:03,769 --> 00:53:58,890
suddenly

1214
00:54:08,029 --> 00:54:03,779
says the blackout in two levels of

1215
00:54:10,130 --> 00:54:08,039
opacity of four words in my document or

1216
00:54:12,200 --> 00:54:10,140
in the document I don't know the words

1217
00:54:14,299 --> 00:54:12,210
exactly but it's and then it says spoke

1218
00:54:16,789 --> 00:54:14,309
to Joe a Maday yeah and it repeated

1219
00:54:19,940 --> 00:54:16,799
itself the blackout two levels of

1220
00:54:21,319 --> 00:54:19,950
opacity spoke to Joe a MIDI and then it

1221
00:54:23,740 --> 00:54:21,329
went on with what I had written for the

1222
00:54:26,150 --> 00:54:23,750
magazine yeah weird mid-sentence

1223
00:54:27,920 --> 00:54:26,160
mid-sentence right while talking about

1224
00:54:30,650 --> 00:54:27,930
the artists who painted the painting

1225
00:54:32,390 --> 00:54:30,660
that related to his death and the

1226
00:54:33,950 --> 00:54:32,400
article had been proof read by four

1227
00:54:35,539 --> 00:54:33,960
people including the publisher and

1228
00:54:37,250 --> 00:54:35,549
managing editor before I went to press

1229
00:54:41,990 --> 00:54:37,260
and they said it had no problems with it

1230
00:54:44,839 --> 00:54:42,000
so it's like again the logical mind

1231
00:54:46,009 --> 00:54:44,849
can't explain it mm-hmm and these things

1232
00:54:50,049 --> 00:54:46,019
referenced each other

1233
00:54:53,079 --> 00:54:50,059
yeah self-referential and and and

1234
00:54:56,120 --> 00:54:53,089
sometimes these things have happened

1235
00:54:59,329 --> 00:54:56,130
well have been um you know doing a radio

1236
00:55:03,950 --> 00:54:59,339
or a podcast things have happened very

1237
00:55:07,190 --> 00:55:03,960
definitely like just the other day I was

1238
00:55:09,769 --> 00:55:07,200
doing an interview and they had a break

1239
00:55:12,589 --> 00:55:09,779
for a commercial after 20 minutes that's

1240
00:55:14,900 --> 00:55:12,599
a mess play now they hadn't purposely

1241
00:55:18,109 --> 00:55:14,910
selected commercials as a matter of fact

1242
00:55:20,720 --> 00:55:18,119
they the producer told me afterwards he

1243
00:55:22,099 --> 00:55:20,730
said no I had no idea what coercion was

1244
00:55:23,599 --> 00:55:22,109
gonna come up he said I looked and saw

1245
00:55:25,789 --> 00:55:23,609
the first one was supposed to come up

1246
00:55:28,730 --> 00:55:25,799
and I knew it was one we all found

1247
00:55:31,069 --> 00:55:28,740
obnoxious we didn't like and so I killed

1248
00:55:31,670 --> 00:55:31,079
it from the list and so it just went to

1249
00:55:35,470 --> 00:55:31,680
the next one

1250
00:55:39,349 --> 00:55:35,480
and the ad it begins with a song saying

1251
00:55:43,099 --> 00:55:39,359
come to the forest come to the forest

1252
00:55:46,130 --> 00:55:43,109
it's closer than you know in the forest

1253
00:55:48,890 --> 00:55:46,140
you will find the real you the new you

1254
00:55:52,640 --> 00:55:48,900
that you didn't know brought to you by

1255
00:55:55,339 --> 00:55:52,650
the National Forest Service and farri is

1256
00:55:58,880 --> 00:55:55,349
short for forest you know this Forrest J

1257
00:56:00,559 --> 00:55:58,890
Ackerman so that's a quite a

1258
00:56:03,589 --> 00:56:00,569
synchronicity for you when no one

1259
00:56:07,789 --> 00:56:03,599
intended it and one of the ones I really

1260
00:56:11,480 --> 00:56:07,799
like Greg I heard about from a writer

1261
00:56:12,680 --> 00:56:11,490
named Robert Egbe who saw an early

1262
00:56:14,030 --> 00:56:12,690
version of the life

1263
00:56:17,359 --> 00:56:14,040
after death project before it was

1264
00:56:19,280 --> 00:56:17,369
finished mm-hmm and then he saw the

1265
00:56:21,069 --> 00:56:19,290
final one with his girlfriend

1266
00:56:24,770 --> 00:56:21,079
they both watch it together and

1267
00:56:26,930 --> 00:56:24,780
fascinated and when it's done she takes

1268
00:56:29,870 --> 00:56:26,940
out her cell phone and intends to check

1269
00:56:33,260 --> 00:56:29,880
her emails but accidentally presses the

1270
00:56:35,960 --> 00:56:33,270
navigation instead of email and what

1271
00:56:40,900 --> 00:56:35,970
comes up is a map not of where they are

1272
00:56:45,349 --> 00:56:40,910
then but of a location 10 miles away

1273
00:56:48,920 --> 00:56:45,359
with Ackerman Road filling the screen in

1274
00:56:51,230 --> 00:56:48,930
the middle his name again says it keeps

1275
00:56:53,270 --> 00:56:51,240
happening mm-hmm so when you say rules

1276
00:56:55,700 --> 00:56:53,280
of engagement maybe there are no rules

1277
00:56:59,020 --> 00:56:55,710
of engagement or it's mainly initiated

1278
00:57:02,030 --> 00:56:59,030
from his side right keeps poking at us

1279
00:57:04,339 --> 00:57:02,040
to sort of wake us up at moments that we

1280
00:57:07,370 --> 00:57:04,349
maybe least expected and to add another

1281
00:57:09,800 --> 00:57:07,380
log to the fire in terms of one of my

1282
00:57:12,410 --> 00:57:09,810
favorite additions of synchronicity in

1283
00:57:14,089 --> 00:57:12,420
this whole thing there is another

1284
00:57:15,890 --> 00:57:14,099
reference to the ink blot obliteration

1285
00:57:18,980 --> 00:57:15,900
event when you find a magazine that

1286
00:57:22,040 --> 00:57:18,990
Forry had signed for you and his

1287
00:57:24,980 --> 00:57:22,050
inscription is right above the phrase

1288
00:57:27,200 --> 00:57:24,990
the invisible ink men strike again and

1289
00:57:29,089 --> 00:57:27,210
you know that one people might say oh

1290
00:57:30,589 --> 00:57:29,099
that's a little loose but when you stack

1291
00:57:33,740 --> 00:57:30,599
these things up I mean this is how

1292
00:57:36,050 --> 00:57:33,750
synchronicity works hey I know I know it

1293
00:57:38,930 --> 00:57:36,060
works more like a dream than physical

1294
00:57:40,970 --> 00:57:38,940
reality yes she had autographed that and

1295
00:57:44,200 --> 00:57:40,980
even even the autograph above those

1296
00:57:47,359 --> 00:57:44,210
words the invisible ink men strike again

1297
00:57:49,480 --> 00:57:47,369
the autograph acknowledged Ray

1298
00:57:52,640 --> 00:57:49,490
Harryhausen the great special effects

1299
00:57:54,220 --> 00:57:52,650
director signing us because it was a big

1300
00:57:57,740 --> 00:57:54,230
article about Harryhausen in there and

1301
00:57:59,930 --> 00:57:57,750
he wrote hooray for Harryhausen and paul

1302
00:58:03,200 --> 00:57:59,940
davids but he didn't write just the word

1303
00:58:08,329 --> 00:58:03,210
hooray he wrote H oh oh and then a

1304
00:58:10,940 --> 00:58:08,339
hyphen and then RA Y so it shows his

1305
00:58:14,480 --> 00:58:10,950
propensity to find a name within a word

1306
00:58:16,400 --> 00:58:14,490
like he did with Jo ammo D or ammo day

1307
00:58:19,309 --> 00:58:16,410
where Moe is right there in the middle

1308
00:58:21,859 --> 00:58:19,319
of it so he signed that autograph and as

1309
00:58:23,030 --> 00:58:21,869
you say this was on the the table of

1310
00:58:25,310 --> 00:58:23,040
contents page for Famous Monsters

1311
00:58:29,120 --> 00:58:25,320
magazine and it said Fang mail

1312
00:58:30,440 --> 00:58:29,130
and and it said the invisible ink men

1313
00:58:32,990 --> 00:58:30,450
strike again

1314
00:58:34,640 --> 00:58:33,000
now when you'll think about that the

1315
00:58:36,020 --> 00:58:34,650
incident that happened to me it wasn't

1316
00:58:38,690 --> 00:58:36,030
invisible ink

1317
00:58:40,640 --> 00:58:38,700
it wasn't ink turning invisible although

1318
00:58:44,240 --> 00:58:40,650
Jack Kelleher who wrote a chapter for an

1319
00:58:47,090 --> 00:58:44,250
atheist in heaven he had an incident of

1320
00:58:50,740 --> 00:58:47,100
fari related ink turning invisible but

1321
00:58:53,630 --> 00:58:50,750
if you take it as the invisible ink man

1322
00:58:55,520 --> 00:58:53,640
right he's invisible he's the ink man

1323
00:58:57,710 --> 00:58:55,530
he's come to put the ink on it the

1324
00:58:59,870 --> 00:58:57,720
document now he struck some words out

1325
00:59:01,730 --> 00:58:59,880
Eddy East struck some words out he's

1326
00:59:04,610 --> 00:59:01,740
striking again how many times is he

1327
00:59:06,800 --> 00:59:04,620
gonna strike and I'll tell you that I've

1328
00:59:09,410 --> 00:59:06,810
got a copy of an atheist in heaven here

1329
00:59:11,060 --> 00:59:09,420
on my desk in case I needed to refer to

1330
00:59:13,820 --> 00:59:11,070
a chapter or remember something while

1331
00:59:17,120 --> 00:59:13,830
talking to you and this particular copy

1332
00:59:20,570 --> 00:59:17,130
on the side of the you know the pages

1333
00:59:23,270 --> 00:59:20,580
mm-hmm when the book is closed it has a

1334
00:59:25,910 --> 00:59:23,280
black ink line right in the middle of

1335
00:59:29,420 --> 00:59:25,920
all those pages about three-quarters of

1336
00:59:29,900 --> 00:59:29,430
an inch long and I don't know how it got

1337
00:59:34,070 --> 00:59:29,910
there

1338
00:59:35,960 --> 00:59:34,080
I I don't you know or maybe you do well

1339
00:59:38,360 --> 00:59:35,970
you know I think I do but I could say

1340
00:59:40,670 --> 00:59:38,370
all right did I have a felt-tip marker

1341
00:59:42,920 --> 00:59:40,680
pen sitting on my desk did I just sort

1342
00:59:44,870 --> 00:59:42,930
of push the book against it and it is

1343
00:59:47,600 --> 00:59:44,880
that how it happened I have no

1344
00:59:49,940 --> 00:59:47,610
recollection of of that but on the other

1345
00:59:51,890 --> 00:59:49,950
hand this doesn't look like what would

1346
00:59:53,600 --> 00:59:51,900
happen if you accidentally pushed

1347
00:59:55,850 --> 00:59:53,610
something against a pen because it's not

1348
01:00:00,050 --> 00:59:55,860
scribbled in any way mm-hmm it's just a

1349
01:00:03,320 --> 01:00:00,060
straight line again and hold on a second

1350
01:00:04,420 --> 01:00:03,330
here I'm noticing something I'm noticing

1351
01:00:07,760 --> 01:00:04,430
something I didn't notice before

1352
01:00:10,820 --> 01:00:07,770
remember how I said that the original

1353
01:00:14,870 --> 01:00:10,830
ink obliteration was in two levels of

1354
01:00:17,900 --> 01:00:14,880
opacity right well this line is to the

1355
01:00:20,890 --> 01:00:17,910
first half of it the ink is kind of

1356
01:00:24,110 --> 01:00:20,900
light and then it gets very very dark

1357
01:00:26,150 --> 01:00:24,120
this is on the side of the pages of copy

1358
01:00:28,220 --> 01:00:26,160
of the book I don't know you know that's

1359
01:00:30,590 --> 01:00:28,230
something I've got enough better

1360
01:00:34,100 --> 01:00:30,600
examples you know that we don't need to

1361
01:00:36,560 --> 01:00:34,110
dwell on this right it's just that when

1362
01:00:39,290 --> 01:00:36,570
it happens to you you become more aware

1363
01:00:42,200 --> 01:00:39,300
to look for all of these kinds of things

1364
01:00:45,260 --> 01:00:42,210
and I think I know we don't have much

1365
01:00:48,050 --> 01:00:45,270
time left Greg right and I would like to

1366
01:00:50,600 --> 01:00:48,060
you know here toward the ending help the

1367
01:00:52,100 --> 01:00:50,610
listeners that they'd like to find these

1368
01:00:55,220 --> 01:00:52,110
things that I've done again

1369
01:00:58,280 --> 01:00:55,230
to remind them that an atheist in heaven

1370
01:01:01,480 --> 01:00:58,290
which was published in April of 2016 if

1371
01:01:04,550 --> 01:01:01,490
you look for that title at amazon.com

1372
01:01:07,370 --> 01:01:04,560
you'll find it available you can get it

1373
01:01:09,590 --> 01:01:07,380
as a hardback with dust jacket and they

1374
01:01:11,450 --> 01:01:09,600
have it it is a discounted there I think

1375
01:01:15,380 --> 01:01:11,460
for right now they're selling it for

1376
01:01:18,410 --> 01:01:15,390
around 21 bucks I think this price is 30

1377
01:01:21,800 --> 01:01:18,420
and they have it as an e-book for I

1378
01:01:24,530 --> 01:01:21,810
think nine dollars which you can use for

1379
01:01:27,020 --> 01:01:24,540
your iPad or you know Kindle and then

1380
01:01:29,570 --> 01:01:27,030
for the documentary film the

1381
01:01:31,790 --> 01:01:29,580
life-after-death project you can rent it

1382
01:01:34,310 --> 01:01:31,800
online you can I think you can probably

1383
01:01:38,240 --> 01:01:34,320
download it online you can stream it as

1384
01:01:40,910 --> 01:01:38,250
Amazon Prime or I recommend getting the

1385
01:01:43,310 --> 01:01:40,920
two DVD set because you've got two DVDs

1386
01:01:45,590 --> 01:01:43,320
you've got the first movie that was on

1387
01:01:48,080 --> 01:01:45,600
sci-fi channel then you have the sequel

1388
01:01:49,730 --> 01:01:48,090
of equal length that I made and and 40

1389
01:01:52,430 --> 01:01:49,740
minutes of bonus features on top of that

1390
01:01:55,850 --> 01:01:52,440
that includes much of the tribute to

1391
01:01:58,010 --> 01:01:55,860
Forrest J Ackerman and a wonderfully

1392
01:02:00,470 --> 01:01:58,020
comprehensive statement by the chemist

1393
01:02:03,530 --> 01:02:00,480
who spent the most time studying our ink

1394
01:02:05,420 --> 01:02:03,540
obliteration so those are the

1395
01:02:08,360 --> 01:02:05,430
opportunities and then my other films oh

1396
01:02:13,190 --> 01:02:08,370
if you go to Internet Internet Movie

1397
01:02:17,060 --> 01:02:13,200
Database that's I am DB dot-com and look

1398
01:02:19,070 --> 01:02:17,070
for me i'm paul davids that's david with

1399
01:02:20,750 --> 01:02:19,080
an S they might show a couple people

1400
01:02:23,240 --> 01:02:20,760
with similar names and I'm the one that

1401
01:02:25,940 --> 01:02:23,250
did the Transformers show so you click

1402
01:02:28,490 --> 01:02:25,950
on that you'll see a listing of all my

1403
01:02:30,590 --> 01:02:28,500
different two films and TV shows and

1404
01:02:32,450 --> 01:02:30,600
most of them are still available and you

1405
01:02:35,030 --> 01:02:32,460
know you'll you'll want to see Roswell

1406
01:02:39,140 --> 01:02:35,040
which was the movie for Showtime about

1407
01:02:42,770 --> 01:02:39,150
the 1947 UFO crash starry night before

1408
01:02:44,600 --> 01:02:42,780
we say goodbye wonderful story in my

1409
01:02:46,610 --> 01:02:44,610
opinion based on a stage play that gets

1410
01:02:49,760 --> 01:02:46,620
into the mystery of Our Lady of

1411
01:02:51,350 --> 01:02:49,770
Guadalupe and you know there's the

1412
01:02:52,970 --> 01:02:51,360
artist in the shaman Oh certainly the

1413
01:02:55,310 --> 01:02:52,980
sci-fi boys

1414
01:02:58,480 --> 01:02:55,320
and Jesus in India all of these

1415
01:03:02,180 --> 01:02:58,490
different projects I have spent the last

1416
01:03:06,230 --> 01:03:02,190
15 to 20 years putting together to help

1417
01:03:08,630 --> 01:03:06,240
open minds and take topics that some may

1418
01:03:11,780 --> 01:03:08,640
consider slightly fringe got topics Oh

1419
01:03:14,150 --> 01:03:11,790
including Timothy Leary's dead too that

1420
01:03:16,220 --> 01:03:14,160
soon will be up for streaming they're

1421
01:03:18,460 --> 01:03:16,230
working on that note nice but all of

1422
01:03:22,040 --> 01:03:18,470
these topics to help broaden Minds

1423
01:03:24,980 --> 01:03:22,050
answer questions and take you places at

1424
01:03:27,710 --> 01:03:24,990
you on your your own initiative might

1425
01:03:29,780 --> 01:03:27,720
otherwise not go nice yeah I love that

1426
01:03:32,150 --> 01:03:29,790
approach you've definitely covered some

1427
01:03:34,819 --> 01:03:32,160
kind of out there subject matter done in

1428
01:03:36,440 --> 01:03:34,829
an entertaining way made a good life for

1429
01:03:38,359 --> 01:03:36,450
yourself doing it it seems like a

1430
01:03:41,120 --> 01:03:38,369
win-win-win for everybody I mean I think

1431
01:03:43,250 --> 01:03:41,130
that's a great approach to life and

1432
01:03:45,530 --> 01:03:43,260
you're playing the game of capitalism

1433
01:03:47,690 --> 01:03:45,540
that we really can't help but play but

1434
01:03:48,050 --> 01:03:47,700
great stuff man I really did enjoy the

1435
01:03:50,030 --> 01:03:48,060
book

1436
01:03:51,650 --> 01:03:50,040
very convincing body of evidence you

1437
01:03:54,530 --> 01:03:51,660
also are going to be at an upcoming

1438
01:03:56,210 --> 01:03:54,540
conference if I'm not mistaken right you

1439
01:03:59,180 --> 01:03:56,220
mean the one in November

1440
01:04:01,280 --> 01:03:59,190
it says art music and UFOs the evolution

1441
01:04:03,890 --> 01:04:01,290
of human consciousness yes that's in

1442
01:04:05,420 --> 01:04:03,900
Laughlin Nevada and I've been there the

1443
01:04:08,620 --> 01:04:05,430
last two years it's a conference

1444
01:04:10,220 --> 01:04:08,630
organized by my good friend Paola Harris

1445
01:04:13,490 --> 01:04:10,230
she's Italian

1446
01:04:15,230 --> 01:04:13,500
she's a ufologist and a writer and knows

1447
01:04:18,170 --> 01:04:15,240
a lot of really interesting people she

1448
01:04:20,809 --> 01:04:18,180
brings to those conferences I think that

1449
01:04:23,690 --> 01:04:20,819
that's a great opportunity to go there I

1450
01:04:27,440 --> 01:04:23,700
was just a speaker this year at the

1451
01:04:29,510 --> 01:04:27,450
International UFO Congress put on by

1452
01:04:32,000 --> 01:04:29,520
open minds and I did speak about the

1453
01:04:34,430 --> 01:04:32,010
Marilyn Monroe film and that of course

1454
01:04:36,319 --> 01:04:34,440
is the other one I don't know how many

1455
01:04:37,940 --> 01:04:36,329
more I'm gonna be made that's they they

1456
01:04:39,530 --> 01:04:37,950
take a couple years each and they take a

1457
01:04:41,839 --> 01:04:39,540
lot out of me you know but I'm sure

1458
01:04:44,540 --> 01:04:41,849
Marilyn Monroe Declassified will be

1459
01:04:47,930 --> 01:04:44,550
released this year on you know DVD

1460
01:04:50,660 --> 01:04:47,940
blu-ray it'll show up for streaming I'm

1461
01:04:53,420 --> 01:04:50,670
sure not let's do do avoid the piracy

1462
01:04:55,069 --> 01:04:53,430
sites because they they're really

1463
01:04:57,500 --> 01:04:55,079
putting us in a position that makes it

1464
01:05:00,670 --> 01:04:57,510
very difficult for people who do what I

1465
01:05:04,760 --> 01:05:00,680
do to continue it's a complete

1466
01:05:06,550 --> 01:05:04,770
disrespect of copyright and we work hard

1467
01:05:09,790 --> 01:05:06,560
to do these things

1468
01:05:11,950 --> 01:05:09,800
so we appreciate it when you access them

1469
01:05:13,930 --> 01:05:11,960
through the proper channels right you

1470
01:05:15,520 --> 01:05:13,940
really have to support the artists that

1471
01:05:17,350 --> 01:05:15,530
you want to be able to continue to make

1472
01:05:20,560 --> 01:05:17,360
work otherwise they can't do it same

1473
01:05:22,990 --> 01:05:20,570
thing we face here but it is a weird

1474
01:05:24,610 --> 01:05:23,000
world no doubt I really enjoyed talking

1475
01:05:27,340 --> 01:05:24,620
to you thanks so much for being here

1476
01:05:31,330 --> 01:05:27,350
take care of yourself out there and tell

1477
01:05:34,270 --> 01:05:31,340
4e we said what's up thank you there we

1478
01:05:36,430 --> 01:05:34,280
go people paul davids closing out the

1479
01:05:38,680 --> 01:05:36,440
month of May for THC and this isn't

1480
01:05:41,080 --> 01:05:38,690
typically the type of show I like to do

1481
01:05:44,080 --> 01:05:41,090
but I did think it was a good case study

1482
01:05:47,710 --> 01:05:44,090
of life after death contact it's a weird

1483
01:05:50,380 --> 01:05:47,720
thing it always seems to be so indirect

1484
01:05:52,480 --> 01:05:50,390
and subtle or maybe subtle isn't the

1485
01:05:54,910 --> 01:05:52,490
best word for it when masks are flying

1486
01:05:57,130 --> 01:05:54,920
off your walls but instead of crossing

1487
01:05:59,380 --> 01:05:57,140
out a couple lines of paper why not say

1488
01:06:01,630 --> 01:05:59,390
hey what do you know there is an

1489
01:06:04,180 --> 01:06:01,640
afterlife and it ain't so bad you know

1490
01:06:05,710 --> 01:06:04,190
but it is still pretty wild and I do

1491
01:06:08,230 --> 01:06:05,720
like looking at those things especially

1492
01:06:09,460 --> 01:06:08,240
in the context of last week's show with

1493
01:06:11,770 --> 01:06:09,470
Gordon where we're talking about

1494
01:06:13,660 --> 01:06:11,780
contacting spirits and ancestors I

1495
01:06:15,250 --> 01:06:13,670
thought it might be a good follow up and

1496
01:06:17,530 --> 01:06:15,260
who doesn't want to talk to someone

1497
01:06:20,200 --> 01:06:17,540
largely responsible for the transformers

1498
01:06:22,360 --> 01:06:20,210
cartoon uh but I do wonder how this

1499
01:06:24,430 --> 01:06:22,370
life-after-death cycle works I think we

1500
01:06:26,200 --> 01:06:24,440
all do and when you have a breakthrough

1501
01:06:28,990 --> 01:06:26,210
experience where you realize there is

1502
01:06:31,090 --> 01:06:29,000
another plane of existence that's great

1503
01:06:33,550 --> 01:06:31,100
to have but it's kind of like the ending

1504
01:06:35,950 --> 01:06:33,560
a lost way more questions come up than

1505
01:06:38,230 --> 01:06:35,960
answers what is it like to just be a

1506
01:06:41,140 --> 01:06:38,240
spirit existing in a dimension of

1507
01:06:42,910 --> 01:06:41,150
timelessness devoid of matter how long

1508
01:06:44,830 --> 01:06:42,920
do you stay there before getting another

1509
01:06:47,140 --> 01:06:44,840
body do you have to get another body

1510
01:06:49,720 --> 01:06:47,150
does everyone get another body I mean

1511
01:06:51,850 --> 01:06:49,730
kids come through with verifiable

1512
01:06:54,220 --> 01:06:51,860
evidence and memories of their past life

1513
01:06:56,170 --> 01:06:54,230
so something is up there why don't more

1514
01:06:58,660 --> 01:06:56,180
dead relatives make contact they just

1515
01:07:00,730 --> 01:06:58,670
stand around and wait to greet us on the

1516
01:07:03,550 --> 01:07:00,740
other side what do they do with their

1517
01:07:05,620 --> 01:07:03,560
time just watch and wait I don't know

1518
01:07:07,750 --> 01:07:05,630
it's an odd situation this life and

1519
01:07:10,570 --> 01:07:07,760
death thing we do I wish we could get

1520
01:07:12,070 --> 01:07:10,580
more definitive answers but for now I

1521
01:07:14,920 --> 01:07:12,080
guess all we got are these little

1522
01:07:16,960 --> 01:07:14,930
slivers of clues the synchronicities and

1523
01:07:20,140 --> 01:07:16,970
stories like these are always a bit

1524
01:07:20,529 --> 01:07:20,150
interesting to me so big thanks again to

1525
01:07:22,989 --> 01:07:20,539
him

1526
01:07:25,390 --> 01:07:22,999
all the great guests this month I really

1527
01:07:28,179 --> 01:07:25,400
enjoyed the agenda 31 show with Corey

1528
01:07:30,489 --> 01:07:28,189
and Todd and success magic with Gordon

1529
01:07:32,559 --> 01:07:30,499
those were my other personal favorites I

1530
01:07:35,829 --> 01:07:32,569
thought those shows had the most useful

1531
01:07:39,009 --> 01:07:35,839
info and I guess I'll haven't been more

1532
01:07:40,929 --> 01:07:39,019
to say in the THC newsletter coming out

1533
01:07:43,659 --> 01:07:40,939
the first of the month sign up for free

1534
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1535
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1536
01:07:51,099 --> 01:07:49,219
for THC and I'll let you know who is on

1537
01:07:52,749 --> 01:07:51,109
deck for next month but thanks for

1538
01:07:54,969 --> 01:07:52,759
listening and sign up for plus if you

1539
01:07:57,009 --> 01:07:54,979
want to hear more and by all means board

1540
01:07:59,199 --> 01:07:57,019
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1541
01:08:00,400 --> 01:07:59,209
in this backwards world we're in that's

1542
01:08:02,559 --> 01:08:00,410
it for me this week

1543
01:08:04,900 --> 01:08:02,569
your move ancestors of the afterlife and

1544
01:08:25,599 --> 01:08:04,910
spirits of the great beyond you're

1545
01:08:35,480 --> 01:08:30,789
a 95 ice tribe still yeah now don't that

1546
01:08:41,120 --> 01:08:35,490
job seem silly hello

1547
01:08:45,500 --> 01:08:41,130
can you hear me why should I play back

1548
01:08:52,079 --> 01:08:45,510
and some spy agency which we were

1549
01:10:05,150 --> 01:08:57,220
I'll expose the bad spirits even if such

1550
01:10:14,760 --> 01:10:11,100
they're cartoons it's so typical of me

1551
01:10:23,240 --> 01:10:14,770
to talk about this stuff I'm sorry

1552
01:10:27,450 --> 01:10:23,250
there's good and well did you ever hear

1553
01:10:33,760 --> 01:10:27,460
argument the nothing really happens it's

1554
01:10:33,770 --> 01:12:22,560
it's done

1555
01:12:22,570 --> 01:12:48,939
gee

1556
01:12:52,820 --> 01:12:51,260
hey guys thanks for listening to the

1557
01:12:55,160 --> 01:12:52,830
first hour of the higher side chats

1558
01:12:57,229 --> 01:12:55,170
podcast with me Greg Carl wood if you

1559
01:12:59,600 --> 01:12:57,239
don't know there is a second hour to all

1560
01:13:01,310 --> 01:12:59,610
the episodes we do around here generally

1561
01:13:03,050 --> 01:13:01,320
we're able to get a lot deeper into the

1562
01:13:05,060 --> 01:13:03,060
topics and ideas that a guest is about

1563
01:13:08,180 --> 01:13:05,070
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1568
01:13:18,290 --> 01:13:16,590
wanted to be a paid subscriber podcast

1569
01:13:20,270 --> 01:13:18,300
but I really hate the idea of spending

1570
01:13:22,370 --> 01:13:20,280
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1571
01:13:24,050 --> 01:13:22,380
completely unrelated and telling you the

1572
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1573
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1574
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1575
01:13:32,660 --> 01:13:31,050
if you like the show double your time

1576
01:13:34,760 --> 01:13:32,670
with it for five bucks a month and let's

1577
01:13:36,379 --> 01:13:34,770
cut out all the other [\h__\h] it's half the

1578
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1579
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1580
01:13:42,560 --> 01:13:40,770
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1581
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1582
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with anything but the show you came to

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listen to it's really the only way for

1584
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1585
01:13:52,729 --> 01:13:50,520
and I do what I can so that it's worth

1586
01:13:54,709 --> 01:13:52,739
your while since we started this I've

1587
01:13:56,750 --> 01:13:54,719
always tried to use the subscriptions to

1588
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1589
01:14:01,220 --> 01:13:59,310
more advantageous it started with just a

1590
01:14:02,899 --> 01:14:01,230
second hour for the main show but now

1591
01:14:04,939 --> 01:14:02,909
we've got a nice forum going where

1592
01:14:06,649 --> 01:14:04,949
people can get deeper in conversation

1593
01:14:09,560 --> 01:14:06,659
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1594
01:14:11,810 --> 01:14:09,570
submit a candidate in the guest request

1595
01:14:13,310 --> 01:14:11,820
thread or share their own personal

1596
01:14:15,560 --> 01:14:13,320
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1597
01:14:18,140 --> 01:14:15,570
nine-to-five cog in the wheel life on

1598
01:14:19,820 --> 01:14:18,150
the entrepreneurs thread the forum in

1599
01:14:21,530 --> 01:14:19,830
the Plus comments are always the first

1600
01:14:23,780 --> 01:14:21,540
places I try to go for listener

1601
01:14:26,149 --> 01:14:23,790
engagement but it does get harder as the

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show gets more popular because of that

1603
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there's also a direct messaging feature

1604
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that you can use to reach me through the

1605
01:14:33,800 --> 01:14:32,310
plus site also well beyond the forum if

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01:14:36,080 --> 01:14:33,810
you like any of the music I've used for

1607
01:14:37,879 --> 01:14:36,090
THC most of it I've hired artists to

1608
01:14:40,189 --> 01:14:37,889
make and I provided all its free

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01:14:41,600 --> 01:14:40,199
downloads to Plus members too so if you

1610
01:14:43,790 --> 01:14:41,610
like a particular song you've heard

1611
01:14:46,129 --> 01:14:43,800
close the show out recently come get the

1612
01:14:48,140 --> 01:14:46,139
mp3 I should also mention that if you

1613
01:14:50,479 --> 01:14:48,150
don't like the idea of paying $5

1614
01:14:52,669 --> 01:14:50,489
recurring every month I get that you can

1615
01:14:55,010 --> 01:14:52,679
buy three months six months or a year

1616
01:14:56,750 --> 01:14:55,020
upfront and just be done with it I have

1617
01:14:59,330 --> 01:14:56,760
plenty of listeners who send checks and

1618
01:15:00,470 --> 01:14:59,340
money orders to the PIO box too I try to

1619
01:15:02,360 --> 01:15:00,480
make it as easy for people

1620
01:15:04,430 --> 01:15:02,370
as I can and you can read more about it

1621
01:15:06,979 --> 01:15:04,440
on the signup page also be sure to check

1622
01:15:08,660 --> 01:15:06,989
out the FAQ help page on the plus site

1623
01:15:09,670 --> 01:15:08,670
if you have any questions or concerns

1624
01:15:11,720 --> 01:15:09,680
about how to listen to a

1625
01:15:13,610 --> 01:15:11,730
password-protected show on your devices

1626
01:15:15,890 --> 01:15:13,620
I've highlighted a lot of great

1627
01:15:17,930 --> 01:15:15,900
solutions and one of those would be the

1628
01:15:20,479 --> 01:15:17,940
iPhone app that just recently hit the

1629
01:15:22,640 --> 01:15:20,489
Apple App Store a super kind and

1630
01:15:24,470 --> 01:15:22,650
talented listener made it for us and you

1631
01:15:26,630 --> 01:15:24,480
can use it to stream or download either

1632
01:15:29,600 --> 01:15:26,640
the free or the plus show if you're on

1633
01:15:31,190 --> 01:15:29,610
Android I'd use pocket casts or podcast

1634
01:15:33,770 --> 01:15:31,200
addict and subscribe to the feed

1635
01:15:36,470 --> 01:15:33,780
manually that way I also try to throw an

1636
01:15:38,450 --> 01:15:36,480
occasional bonus shows or QA shows and

1637
01:15:40,640 --> 01:15:38,460
I've got a few other weird ideas I might

1638
01:15:42,590 --> 01:15:40,650
get to try out soon but I give you all I

1639
01:15:44,270 --> 01:15:42,600
can for five bucks and I hope you'll at

1640
01:15:45,979 --> 01:15:44,280
least give it a shot if you've listened

1641
01:15:47,720 --> 01:15:45,989
to a few free shows and you find them

1642
01:15:49,520 --> 01:15:47,730
unique or valuable I know there's a lot

1643
01:15:51,680 --> 01:15:49,530
of podcasts out there and I'm just one

1644
01:15:53,479 --> 01:15:51,690
of them but if you have any questions

1645
01:15:55,010 --> 01:15:53,489
concerns or comments about any of this

1646
01:15:57,890 --> 01:15:55,020
please get in touch with us at the

1647
01:15:59,810 --> 01:15:57,900
higher side chats team at gmail.com I

1648
01:16:01,220 --> 01:15:59,820
also wanted to plug the higher side

1649
01:16:03,050 --> 01:16:01,230
newsletter I'm going to be putting out

1650
01:16:05,540 --> 01:16:03,060
totally free for anyone who wants to

1651
01:16:07,700 --> 01:16:05,550
sign up at the main internet website for

1652
01:16:09,590 --> 01:16:07,710
the show the higher side chats com

1653
01:16:11,360 --> 01:16:09,600
you can also get on that email list

1654
01:16:13,100 --> 01:16:11,370
through the higher side chats Facebook

1655
01:16:14,780 --> 01:16:13,110
page there's a button there as well

1656
01:16:17,360 --> 01:16:14,790
but the reason I'm doing this is because

1657
01:16:19,460 --> 01:16:17,370
I get tons and tons of emails after a

1658
01:16:21,500 --> 01:16:19,470
show goes up asking me about how I feel

1659
01:16:23,210 --> 01:16:21,510
about a particular guest or topic and

1660
01:16:25,220 --> 01:16:23,220
the wrap-up isn't always the best place

1661
01:16:27,200 --> 01:16:25,230
to do that especially if I have anything

1662
01:16:29,060 --> 01:16:27,210
negative to say sometimes the dust needs

1663
01:16:31,550 --> 01:16:29,070
to settle sometimes I need to hear

1664
01:16:33,110 --> 01:16:31,560
feedback from you guys first there are a

1665
01:16:34,729 --> 01:16:33,120
lot of factors but I usually have

1666
01:16:37,160 --> 01:16:34,739
something to communicate to you and I

1667
01:16:38,780 --> 01:16:37,170
just don't get to do it so on the first

1668
01:16:40,400 --> 01:16:38,790
of the month I plan to send out a little

1669
01:16:42,740 --> 01:16:40,410
newsletter with my thoughts about the

1670
01:16:44,630 --> 01:16:42,750
five shows the previous month and talk

1671
01:16:46,790 --> 01:16:44,640
to you about anything else that's on my

1672
01:16:48,620 --> 01:16:46,800
mind or that's going on and what's

1673
01:16:50,360 --> 01:16:48,630
probably most enticing is that I'm gonna

1674
01:16:52,310 --> 01:16:50,370
give you some insight into at least one

1675
01:16:54,320 --> 01:16:52,320
guest I have coming up in the month

1676
01:16:56,330 --> 01:16:54,330
which people have been begging for some

1677
01:16:58,370 --> 01:16:56,340
posted schedule for a long time I

1678
01:16:59,960 --> 01:16:58,380
personally think I'd like the surprise

1679
01:17:02,000 --> 01:16:59,970
but sign up for the higher side

1680
01:17:03,470 --> 01:17:02,010
newsletter it's free it comes out on the

1681
01:17:06,350 --> 01:17:03,480
1st of the month and I won't waste your

1682
01:17:08,300 --> 01:17:06,360
time with any other emails and that's it

1683
01:17:10,280 --> 01:17:08,310
I appreciate you listening I try to give

1684
01:17:12,920 --> 01:17:10,290
alternative ideas and guests a fair

1685
01:17:14,359 --> 01:17:12,930
shake on a high-quality podcast expose

1686
01:17:16,520 --> 01:17:14,369
some deep level conspiracy

1687
01:17:18,229 --> 01:17:16,530
without the yelling and I hope to offer

1688
01:17:20,359 --> 01:17:18,239
some inspiration that even though the

1689
01:17:22,669 --> 01:17:20,369
system relentlessly suggests you should

1690
01:17:24,500 --> 01:17:22,679
follow their blueprint to mediocrity you

1691
01:17:26,810 --> 01:17:24,510
can do your own thing and live a much

1692
01:17:28,700 --> 01:17:26,820
happier life despite all the negativity